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HydeLeach
 
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October 29, 2009, 2:57 pm

I don’t know where to begin, I suppose I could start merely by telling you the story of how my life has progressed, then finish things off by explaining my dreadful situation.


Please read it all.


From as far back as I can remember, I was curious towards guys. But this curiosity began when I was so young, I never really bothered whether to consider if it was normal or not. I never pondered the subject, I just enjoyed the presence of males and them expressing interest in me.


Things progressed in this manner throughout elementary school. I was raised in a christian household, and I was taught what was the norm and what was wrong. Things were presented to me in a black and white fashion. I believed it. Things would be easy, I would marry a woman, I would have a family. This is what I desired, it is what I would strive for. I felt this way up until grade 6.


Grade 7, my curiosity towards guys began to strengthen. It was not durastic, and I still had not labelled myself. As far as I was concerned, this was normal.


Grade 8 is where the sad story begins. The curiosity evolved into a sexual attraction. I put two and two together by now, I was gay. I did not care too much, however, for it had not yet grown strong. I believed I was some sort of bisexual, I merely felt a physical attraction towards men, but fell in love with women. I had not fallen in love with a woman, but this is what I believed.


The sexual attraction continued to grow as I made my way into highschool. It had reached the point where I had come to terms that no, I could not marry a woman. It would be impossible for me to make love to her to make either of us happy. I felt no sexual attraction towards women. But I was not yet hopeless, my mindset changed to “who needs a partner, anyways?” I would merely attempt to fill the hole in my heart in other ways.


Grade 11 semester one came around, and the attraction was even stronger. I was incredibly distressed that I would have to fight the temptation my whole life (as this is what I was taught people like me had to do), but I continued to tell myself I could do it, I would satisfy my self with other means, distract myself with life’s other things. I knew I was a homosexual, but I did not see myself like the others. I was alright with gay marriage being illegal in some places, I stood conservative, for I didn’t want to get married in the first place. Even occasionally, I would scream to God to make me hetereosexual.


Grade 11 semester two changed everything, for my heart introduced me to something it had never presented to me before. Love.

I was tormented. The sight of their face filled me with butterflies, the sound of their voice and the things they had to say made me want to get to know them more. I would imagine things like them asking me out, despite I knew they were straight. But it was an odd time in my life, for about 2 weeks I felt a physical sting in my heart (feeling such love and attraction for the first time) and a wrench in my gut (this was it, I was 100% homosexual, my life would not be nearly as easy as I had previously expected).


The semester ended, and I disconnected from them. I had beaten my heart down, screaming to it that the love it felt was wrong, a perversion, to the point it believed me and fell silent. I was sick and miserable, I hated my life, no one should ever have to hurt themselves for desiring love… Everything changed from here. I was now capable of having loving feelings for a male, and I encountered minor crushes from time to time. This filled me with distress.


No more could I expect to satisfy and fulfill my life alone, my heart desired a partner to love and recieve love from, it had become all I wanted.


I was desperate to tell someone, but I was so scared to face the reactions of other people. So I fled to the internet, and created a gay identity for myself. I would go onto christian sites and scream at them, begging to know why I was “wrong” and how they found it so easy to condemn people like me. I hated them.


About a month later, on the eve of September 4th, with trembles of terror and tears streaming down my face, I came out to my best friend, Jen. She embraced me and took it so well. She told me I was not perverted, I was normal, and that she loved me. We went for a walk the next day, and she pulled me out of my shell by asking me questions about my past, what kind of guys I liked, and my plans for the future.


She helped me become comfortable with myself, and in a short while I had fully embraced the fact that I was gay. I planned to get married in my future, to love a man. I was finally happy, I hadn’t been truly happy for so long. But I continued to feel as though the Christian chuch turned me away (as it does in its majority), and as I result I backed out of it. My parents were mortified and tried to make me holy again, but I continued to step away. Before long, after much research into christian beliefs towards homosexuality and even reading some very degratory websites, I hated them. I truly, truly hated them.


But I began to fear Hell. But I had thoughts such as “I hate a God who is okay with sending his children to Hell. If the God above shall condemn a man for merely seeking true love, then I would rather go to Hell then spend an eternity with such a wicked, wicked God.” I continue to have such thoughts.


But I do not want to turn away, deep down. I feel connected to God somehow, I feel like he has something he wants me to do. I am constantly remembering a time, back when I was much younger, a pastor came to my house with a message for my parents: that God had revealed to him that there was something special in me, and that God wanted me to be annointed. And so I was.


It is for this reason that my relationship with God is love/hate. I just want the truth.


That is my story. I shall now conclude with my coming out situation.


I want to tell my family, to get it off my chest. But I fear the burden will be replaced with a stab at my heart, rejection. My parents spit upon the feet of homosexuals, they gag at the idea. My sister, she is 2 years older than I but has remained so shielded from the world that I daresay she almost has the mind of a 11 year old. Everything is strictly black and white to her. She does not fully understand sex itself, she does not understand love. To her, heterosexual sex is digusting enough, homosexual sex (if she knows how it works) is even worse, satanic. I believe she is asexual, feeling no sexual attraction to either gender whatsoever. As a result of this, I feel I cannot tell her who I am, for she will not understand. She will believe that homosexuality was a choice on my behalf, she will grow angered and disgusted.


I would normally not care of her lack of the knowledge of love and sex, other than that it will durastically change how she accepts me when I come out. In short, she will not accept me, for she will not understand.


And my parents in turn will be mortified, they shall beg me to keep it a secret and not act upon it. But this is too much to ask of me, all I want it love, and I shall seek after it. They do not understand, everything is black and white to them. I have so much I want to tell them, so much knowledge on the topic of homosexuality I want to tell them to defend myself. But I know they will not listen. For even once they have stated to me that homosexuality has nothing to do with love, it is merely a perverted sexual attraction. But this is not true!


Please help me, before I lose the last of my hope.


You’re lost brother,

Hyde


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
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October 29, 2009, 6:57 pm

glad you found home Hyde…..how did you find us.


I will respond more later…….great that you are with us…..you will find support and understanding here.


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Chris
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October 29, 2009, 8:48 pm

Hyde,


Given that you think you know what your parents reaction will be, do you have any more friends (beyond that one you’ve told already) who might take the news better? It might pay to have as many people on-side as possible in case things go awry down the track.


I know since I started coming out, I’ve been going in order of who I think will take it best, and working my way backwards. I’m not even up to my parents yet and it’s been almost a year since I started the process.


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
October 29, 2009, 9:12 pm

good advice chris…..its good to build a good network around you first if feel you will get a bad reaction from the family. You can work out who is

1. Low risk

2. Medium risk

3. High risk


Start from the top and work down…….no rush either….


if you dont have any low risk in your life then get connected with the local GLBT support groups….not the gay scene…..the support groups. Do you have any in your area.


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gettingthere
 
Joined in 2008
October 30, 2009, 1:02 am

Hyde, I am so glad you are here. In a way, I see you as a young man who has wandered through a desert for years and has finally after much searching found a small oasis he can rest at. Trust me, you have found a safe place here.


First off… we have so much in common. I too am a 17 year old gay Christian. AND I’m Canadian (well, half-Canadian), but my parents are missionaries so I actually live in the Philippines. But the point is that we are very much alike. I see a lot of myself in your story and I’m sure if you heard my story you’d see a lot of yourself in it too. The main difference I can see is that I am farther along the road than you are, but I believe that is only by the grace of God. I started searching for answers when I was in middle school, looking for anything that could give me some peace from the feelings of dread, feelings that I’m certain I don’t have to describe to you. I’m convinced that had that not happened to me, had God not lead me to the road of knowledge and out of the land of ignorance where I was before, I would have attempted suicide and I would’ve succeeded. And certainly that exact scenario has happened to many young gay Christians and it’s a tragedy since not of one had the slightest thing to be ashamed of, as God accepted them all completely as they were.


I hope that you and I will be able to communicate on these issues, since we have a lot in common and since (as everyone on here already knows) I tend to have a lot to say. :) The very first thing I’d have to say is that in regards to your family… only you can decide what happens since you know your family better than I do, but I too was once convinced my family would never be able to accept me. I came out to my family when I was 15. I fully believed that they would not accept me, but I had to do it, because I just could not tolerate being in the closet any more. Two years later, my family still has not accepted to the level where I want them to accept me, but they have done many other things well. My best friend is a straight conservative Republican male, someone who I thought wouldn’t be able to handle the issue at all, but he has proven himself to be a good listener, a compassionate brother in Christ and above all a much-valued friend to me. What I am saying to you is that some people will surprise you with how well they respond. Of course some people will not and be totally negative, but once you have a support system of friends who love and accept you for who you are (kind of like Jesus, eh?) you will find the people who don’t accept you matter less and less and less.


As Eleanor Roosevelt said, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. It sounds strange, but one day you will reach the point where you are strong enough that even if people reject you, you can still stay emotionally secure. That is not an easy place to reach (and it’s one of the reasons my name is gettingthere, it’s one of the places I want to be), but it is a place God promises he will lead us to in his word. My life verse is Ps. 118:6 “The Lord is with me, I will not fear. What can man do to me?” Indeed, when we realize God is with us and not against us, we can make the conscious choice to not fear because we realize man can do nothing to bring us down as God’s power to build up surpasses that of man’s power to destroy.


And this post is really long. :P But you started it. lol. :)


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HydeLeach
 
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October 30, 2009, 2:26 pm

Hey guys, thanks for your replies.

I do not have a GLBT group in my area, sadly.

When you speak of not entering the gay scene, do you mean the non-christian scene? Because if I enter the world (which I will in a matter of a little over a year, being 17 an all) and there are no christian groups, would it be alright for me to find a non-christian group, and just keep my discretion?

Not that this is a current matter, for I am still in a cage and within this household. But nevertheless, what are your thoughts?


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HydeLeach
 
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October 30, 2009, 2:29 pm

And thanks for your reply, gettingthere, it makes me feel a little better to hear a positive story from someone my age.


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man in confusion
 
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October 30, 2009, 5:58 pm

Hello and welcome.. needed to tell you two things 1st: stop being sad or feeling angry toward god cos god loves you but ask him how you can grow better in a healthy way addressing your issue ..and if you did not get an answer from god then ok cos i guess almost all of us are in middle of journey but ours is different from others in that we all believe in power of jesus love and we support each within christian frame..One day someone can hit evolving things and will share us all..benefit for all

secondly, try to find some1 whom you think will understand you to talk about your desires and struggle;provided that person is christian..

keep us updated..you need to be hugged brotherly.


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JKH
 
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October 31, 2009, 10:29 am

Hi Hyde, welcome to the forum :) *Hugz*


I am not very good at giving advice, but I can give you a passage:


Galatians: 3:28-29

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If ou belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise


I was lucky enough to have reconcile my faith and homosexuality quickly, but Im still going through the pain of that my family doesn’t accept me being gay, and that I still live a life of many faces, so that I can keep my sexuality hidden from those who I felt they should not know, it can be very tough, because you cannot be as honest as others. But I know no matter what people say, I know God does not discriminate, and that he will always love me and walk along with me no matter where I am, who I am and however bad the situation is, because he is always there :) .


I will definitely pray for you brother :) , I will pray that you will be accepted for who you are by your family and friends :)


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
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October 31, 2009, 12:56 pm

Hey guys, thanks for your replies.

I do not have a GLBT group in my area, sadly.

When you speak of not entering the gay scene, do you mean the non-christian scene? Because if I enter the world (which I will in a matter of a little over a year, being 17 an all) and there are no christian groups, would it be alright for me to find a non-christian group, and just keep my discretion?

Not that this is a current matter, for I am still in a cage and within this household. But nevertheless, what are your thoughts?


What I was meaning by the scene Hyde is the visible presence of the gay world eg Castro in San Francisco…..bars, nightclubs etc. many people think this is what it means to be gay……but this is actually a subculture.


there are often very good gay community support groups who are non-christian but of course maintain high values and respect yours.


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HydeLeach
 
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October 31, 2009, 4:06 pm
Hey guys, thanks for your replies.

I do not have a GLBT group in my area, sadly.

When you speak of not entering the gay scene, do you mean the non-christian scene? Because if I enter the world (which I will in a matter of a little over a year, being 17 an all) and there are no christian groups, would it be alright for me to find a non-christian group, and just keep my discretion?

Not that this is a current matter, for I am still in a cage and within this household. But nevertheless, what are your thoughts?


What I was meaning by the scene Hyde is the visible presence of the gay world eg Castro in San Francisco…..bars, nightclubs etc. many people think this is what it means to be gay……but this is actually a subculture.


there are often very good gay community support groups who are non-christian but of course maintain high values and respect yours.


Alright thanks, I understand.

Thanks everyone for your replies, and thanks for your prayers.

I have another question:

What would be the best way to come out? Should I tell people more frequently now, or should I retain this slow pace? Should I wait until I am in college to tell my family?

And lastly, I need help classifying this one girl as high, low, or medium risk. She used to like me, and sometimes I think she still does. But she currently has her eyes set upon another guy, and I have become better friends with her this year. She supports gay right and what not. Should I come out to her? For sometimes I worry she feels I turned down her desire to date because I disliked her.


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Chris
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October 31, 2009, 4:15 pm

Personally, I would classify anyone who supports gay rights as low risk. But in then end the only one who knows will be you – you know her better than anyone else. Same goes for telling your parents. I’ve considered waiting until I move out before telling them, but now I’m less concerned.


That said, despite my relative comfort, I have been coming out quite slowly. My order of preference has not only been determined by my friends’ potential reactions though – it’s also been based on trust. I know I waited a bit to tell one friend in particular – despite knowing they’d be a great supporter, I was not entirely sure how they’d go as far as keeping the secret. You know, some people just can’t keep things to themselves.


In any case, I would recommend against forcing yourself to go fast or slow as far as coming out goes. Just do it when you feel the time is right. It may be best to sometimes wait for opportune moments, or if you find yourself really wanting to tell someone, you may have to create that moment yourself. When I told my first friend, I made sure we went for a pretty reasonable drive to a nice park so there’d be no distractions.


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gettingthere
 
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October 31, 2009, 7:18 pm

And lastly, I need help classifying this one girl as high, low, or medium risk. She used to like me, and sometimes I think she still does. But she currently has her eyes set upon another guy, and I have become better friends with her this year. She supports gay right and what not. Should I come out to her? For sometimes I worry she feels I turned down her desire to date because I disliked her.


Based on your description of her, I’d have to say that she’s about as low-risk as you could hope for. She’s an opposite sex friend, she supports gay rights and if she genuinely cares about you as a person, then she will want to do whatever she can to make you happy. The fact that she used to like you may actually work to your benefit, because when you like someone you tend to get an idealized picture of that person in your head. So then this person probably thinks very highly of you and would love to see the very best happen in your life. And as you said, if there is another guy she is interested in, it makes the situation even better because now she knows who to go for – you’re not exactly dashing her only hope for true love. Just get her alone sometime and tell her as much as you can. The one disclaimer I’d have to add is that make sure that she knows that you aren’t ready to be open to everybody and tell her that at this point in your life this is to be kept a secret. Learned that from experience… :P Also, I’d suggest be prepared with a few things that you would like to say to her after you come out, like your beliefs, hopes, etc. Because really what you are doing here is more than just confessing a secret. You are building a support network. If this girl is to support you, she needs to know in what way she can best do that. A third idea is, after you have assured her that you do not want her to go around telling other, ask her to tell you the names of other people in your community who she thinks it would be a safe bet for you to come out to. Her perception of their response may be better than yours. Closeted people tend to have such a strong fear of rejection that it colors their perception of other people. I’d say ask her to make some suggestions, think about her ideas, and then if you are ready and believe they are safe people, go and tell them too.


Good luck, Hyde. I’ll be praying for you. Keep us posted!


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gettingthere
 
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October 31, 2009, 7:52 pm

Double posting, but oh well. :)



What would be the best way to come out? Should I tell people more frequently now, or should I retain this slow pace? Should I wait until I am in college to tell my family?


1) The best way to come out is a way that is respectful to everyone involved, most importantly yourself. I recommend a way that allows the other person to ask questions and for you to answer them. Also never come out when you are angry. You don’t want people to associate your sexual orientation with anger or any other negative emotion. So while there may not be a specific best way to come out, there are some principles that you should remember when deciding how to come out to other people – respect, dialogue, and calmness are three things that can help.


2) If you are comfortable being out to more people, do that. I think you should be as open as you can. The main concern here is your emotional health. Keeping a secret from so many people can be very emotionally taxing; coming out can bring release. Don’t go slow for the sake of going slow and don’t go fast for the sake of going fast either. Remember that at this stage of your life, you are coming out for your own benefit. It is one of the scariest things you will ever have to do, but once you begin doing it it will become easier and easier. If you don’t do it, it will keep being hard and you will keep living in fear. At all times, use wisdom and remember that as scary as it can be you are helping yourself by coming out.


3) Only you can decide what is to be done about your family, but I highly recommend that you tell them as soon as possible. I told my family even though I believed that they would not accept me as I desired for them to accept me. I was right, however, I do not regret telling them. The passage of time has allowed things to smooth out and now we can dialogue. Perhaps most importantly though, I was freed from the shame and fear after I came out – it was a huge personal victory for me. Here are two things you should consider – you are smart and you are almost old enough to be on your own. The first thing allows you to defend yourself and the second thing allows you to be independent. When you are an adult, your parents don’t make decisions for you – you do. What your parents believe about homosexuality doesn’t matter when it comes to deciding whether you will date or marry – what you believe does. I don’t know your parents, but I’m guessing that they love and care about you. I don’t think they’d disown you or cut you off from the family, they seem better than that. That means the worst possible response is likely not going to happen. What you might get then is a well-intentioned but misguided attempt to change you. I believe you’ll be able to handle such a response well, based on your knowledge and your age. Time will probably be a key factor here, because unless they suspected this all along, this will be a huge shock for them and they will likely be disappointed. If you come out to them, be sure to understand that it’s difficult for them to! But since I’m sure you are a good young man, you’ll be able to make the process easier for them by providing them with information.


Remember, God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. (2 Timothy 1:7) Therefore, I say be brave, loving, and calm when you come out. :) Once again, good luck Hyde and I’ll be praying for you.


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
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October 31, 2009, 10:25 pm

gettingthere….you never cease to amaze me.


A little caveat to talking to the parents. Unfortunately there are some parents out there who do reject their kids when they come out. I’ve heard some very sad stories.


sometimes all the concerns that we have sweated over and over are never realised when we come out.


Hoping Hyde your situation is the latter not the former.


Do you think your parents suspect.


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HydeLeach
 
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November 1, 2009, 4:27 am

Double posting, but oh well. :)



What would be the best way to come out? Should I tell people more frequently now, or should I retain this slow pace? Should I wait until I am in college to tell my family?


2) If you are comfortable being out to more people, do that. I think you should be as open as you can. The main concern here is your emotional health. Keeping a secret from so many people can be very emotionally taxing; coming out can bring release. Don’t go slow for the sake of going slow and don’t go fast for the sake of going fast either. Remember that at this stage of your life, you are coming out for your own benefit. It is one of the scariest things you will ever have to do, but once you begin doing it it will become easier and easier. If you don’t do it, it will keep being hard and you will keep living in fear. At all times, use wisdom and remember that as scary as it can be you are helping yourself by coming out.


Thanks gettingthere for all your posts, they really are very helpful and encouraging. I just wanted to quote this one because yes, I very much so agree that coming out is one of the scariest things to do. The night I told my friend Jen, as we were walking my heart rate began to quicken like mad, and I choked on tears and stammered on my own words for quite a while before I could get the words out.

But yes, I suspect it will be easier to come out to more people now, not only because I have positive experience now with people’s reactions, but because I have found a site like this one to help me out.

The family, though, is an entirely different matter. I don’t think telling all the people in the world could make telling my parents less scary. But I feel the time is nearing when I should tell my parents, so please keep me in your prayers.


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HydeLeach
 
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November 1, 2009, 4:35 am

gettingthere….you never cease to amaze me.


A little caveat to talking to the parents. Unfortunately there are some parents out there who do reject their kids when they come out. I’ve heard some very sad stories.


sometimes all the concerns that we have sweated over and over are never realised when we come out.


Hoping Hyde your situation is the latter not the former.


Do you think your parents suspect.


I think my parents may have a suspicion, not only because I have never gone out with a girl, but also because I am quick to defend gays when they start a conversation that involves the bashing of them.

However, sometimes I think they assume homosexuality is a choice, and I think they believe that I wouldn’t make the choice, being in a christian household. That is one thing I will need to clarify endlessly when I come out: that it was NOT a choice.


I do indeed fear rejection, for already I am a fair bit of the odd person out in this house. My entire family is very christian, and have avoided the real deals of the world as much as possible. I have non-christian friends, have a not-so-clean sense of humour (that I try to hide as much as possible at home) and I am a morbid person. They shout at me merely because I drew a picture of a man with a gun, which is NOTHING compared to what I’ve drawn, talked about, or watched in a horror movie before, not in their presence. (And I just realized how much this paragraph makes me sound like a bad person).


I just fear that this blast of news will make them decide that I am entirely not worth it to them. I just pray that they’ll let me talk when I come out to them, that they will let me defend myself and explain that homosexuality is not the vile monster they have been grown to see it as. That it is, indeed, love.


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
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November 1, 2009, 9:38 am

what type of church to you go to….is there anyone you can talk to there.


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topgun
 
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November 1, 2009, 1:31 pm

well, my brother who lives in the unites states has just visited and i ended up telling him. He too k it very well and was supportive but i still feel queasy telling him like ima dissapointemnt. The rest of my family have been on my case about getting a gf and some have made gay jokes so its scary about the thought of telling the rest of them but like Chris said i guess i should start telling them one by one as i get the courage.


HydeLeach I know where u r coming from as i dont have many christian gay friends at all and no support groups. JUst dont give up on God, and yeah as soon as u get te courage tell them and get it out.


Telling my brother, it was relief to finally have a close family member know. I now have the task of gettin enough courage to tell my homphobic mum, sister and rest of family, Hang i n there dude ur not alone this.


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HydeLeach
 
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November 1, 2009, 3:56 pm

what type of church to you go to….is there anyone you can talk to there.


I go to a Protestant Church… they all believe you should embrace homosexuals, but not allow them to love.


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