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IanJ
 
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June 6, 2009, 12:40 pm

I had been married for 20 years when my wife told me to leave. She’d found out that I had been visiting gay websites. That was it. We hadn’t had the greatest of relationships; I tried to please but it never seemed to work- and now it was over. It took 8 months after this for my wife to understand that I was gay; and since then I have had no contact with my three teenage children.


I left one year ago. I was an almost 50 year old man. No friends. Nowhere to go. I’d never really admitted that I was gay- I’d only got as far as thinking that if something ever happened to my relationship, I would never get married again. I’d had casual sex with men over the previous 10 years, but being an evangelical, charismatic Christian meant that couldn’t ever talk to anyone about it, even when I was in my times of deepest need and despair. I couldn’t even admit it to myself.


I knew I was attracted to other guys since I was about 11 and became a Christian soon after. Before I became a Christian, I had tried to please God so much- and discovered that I couldn’t except through trusting in Jesus. But I felt so different, and scared and bad. I was so lonely and felt like a failure. I kept trying hard. In my conservative, bible believing Christian circles, I never met anyone whom I knew to be gay; that didn’t happen until I was 39 !!


Once I found a place to live I started to relax. I wasn’t under pressure to conform; to hide my thoughts and feelings and I didn’t give attention to trying to avoid criticism for not being the man my wife had dreamt she was marrying. But I wasn’t ready to admit I was gay. I crept around a few churches successfully avoiding meeting anyone.


I went to MCC after the church I had been attending had a Sunday morning service where the Pastor and his wife, and another couple were to spend the service sharing about what wonderful marriages they had and encouraging everyone else to do the same. I knew that MCC existed; and honestly, I thought that such a church must be totally compromised in its beliefs and couldn’t be true to the gospel. I was wrong about that!


I joined a home group at Crave MCC- with people who really love me, accept me and support me. I met some wonderful people at the first Freedom 2 b[e] meeting that I attended. I could finally start to say to people ‘I am gay’.


A few weeks ago I was sitting in church. Through the week, I had been thinking about the phrase from an old hymn ‘Just as I am’ (thanks Ben- God is really using you!). And then I realised- God does accept me JUST AS I AM. I come to Him- just me, myself, and the gay bits, and all the baggage- and I trust Him. And He accepts me!! Just as I am. I always felt like I’d failed- especially in the area of sexuality, trying to be straight and in relationships. And now I didn’t have to feel like a failure- because God accepts me just as I am. That’s freedom!! It was so good!!


Lat weekend I read Anthony Venn-Brown’s book. So many parallels between his experience and mine. I am so glad you wrote it, Anthony. I just wish that I had this book, MCC, Freedom 2 b[e] and some wise counsel that would have allowed me to manage the situation with my wife and children better. But we can only move forward.


A few years ago I did a course through a church, which made the following statement. At the time I wanted to believe it, but I couldn’t. But now I can!


I am cherished by God who paid a great price to purchase me.

I acknowledge that I am highly valued, totally forgiven, fully pleasing,

accepted and complete in Christ.


I’m still working through a lot of things: finding a place in the world, in the church, and in relationships. Wishing my relationship with my kids could be restored; knowing that it will resolve one day- but wishing it were now.


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magsdee
 
Joined in 2006
June 6, 2009, 12:56 pm

Thankyu for sharing your story with us, Im really pleased you hve found a place of peace and resolution within yourself :D Ben is quite an amazing young man :wink:


Im sure your children will come round and your r’ship will be restored, Anthonys been there before and I know it helps to know youre not alone and someone understands.

It was lovely to meet you last night :wink:


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Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
June 6, 2009, 11:32 pm

As the daughter of a gay man who was married for over twenty years I’m living proof that people do come around I was furious when my dad came out. When he left mum and lived honestly with a man he loved. I was old enough and wise enough to know better. Now, and I don’t say this lightly, I wouldn’t have him any other way because he is so much more himself. All those years I thought I knew my father. Now I can say that I really do know him. That is a gift he has given me and I’ll always cherish it.


AVB is awesome at saying these really inconvienient things when you really don’t want to hear them :lol: and when I was really angry at dad he asked me why I hadn’t thanked him for being honest. Why I hadn’t achknowledged that honesty in this situation took guts no matter if homosexuality was right or wrong. It struck me that I was so wrapped up in my own reaction I hadn’t really considered what it was like for dad.


I don’t mean to presume that the situation with your own kids is at all similar. I understand it must be so hard to wait, to give them time to come to terms with it all in their own way and time. As LGBT men and women we spend years and years working through these issues for ourselves and when we finally come to a place of acceptance we want everyone to feel the same way, right now! It may take your kids years as well, though hopefully not. The best part though, the part that makes it worth the wait is that they will truly know you and love you for who you are. Not who you thought you were or who you thought you should be but you.


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
June 7, 2009, 1:25 am

wise words Sandy……and something we often have to remind people of.


we spend decades sorting through this stuff…..then when we come out wonder why everyone esle isn’t there with us.


our disclosure begins there journey to reconciliation. some get there quicker than others.


of course there are things we can do along the way…..that will hasten or hinder resolution.


Maybe the focus ATM for you Ian is just to spend time making yourself happy with yourself. That will be a great gift to your children in the future…..and they get to love their gay dad.


its so cool that you’ve found places to connect with like us here and MCC. Those things weren’t around when I came out.


BTW……God told me to write the book for you.


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magsdee
 
Joined in 2006
June 7, 2009, 7:53 am

BTW……God told me to write the book for you


Isnt God amazing, that just soooo leaves you speechless.


Far out Sandy, Im sitting here with the biggest smile hearing you talk like that.


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Sandy
 
Joined in 2007
June 7, 2009, 5:40 pm

Far out Sandy, Im sitting here with the biggest smile hearing you talk like that


Bet you never thought I’d get here when I was planning grevious bodily harm all that time ago Mags :lol: :lol: :lol: Some Christian. So glad you never brought that conversation up again. You’ve all the blackmail material you want on me now :wink: :lol:


God works in mysterious ways. I was so cranky that dad had MY problem. Why couldn’t he have his own life drama, why steal mine? :lol: :lol: Now its entirely plausible that God made dad gay to teach me lessons I otherwise would have been way too stubbon to learn. Of course when I voiced this to dad he threw a handful of orange peels at me and seethed “Not EVERYTHING is about you, Sandy!” Opps!


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magsdee
 
Joined in 2006
June 7, 2009, 5:57 pm

Of course when I voiced this to dad he threw a handful of orange peels at me and seethed “Not EVERYTHING is about you, Sandy!” Opps!


Gees you had me believe everything WAS about you :? now I have to retrain my thinking AGAIN :shock:


No its good to see you both so good now :wink: Im saving the blackmail for an opportune time :P muhahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!


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IanJ
 
Joined in 2009
June 8, 2009, 8:50 am

thanks for sharing your experiences, encouragement and wisdom.

It was very nice to meet you on Friday night Maggie; peace flows out from you. :wink:


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magsdee
 
Joined in 2006
June 8, 2009, 12:42 pm

Thankyou Ian, that is very encouraging.


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AliA
 
Joined in 2009
June 16, 2009, 11:58 am

Hi Ian,


Ali here! I just want you to know how much we love you and are enjoying you being part of our Homegroup.


Ali


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Myfanwe
 
Joined in 2007
June 16, 2009, 2:25 pm

Hi Ian,


Thanks so much for sharing your story with us. I’m blessed and encouraged every time I read a new story from someone here on the forums. It’s always amazing to see how God has worked through the situations with others.


I pray that in his perfect timing all will be resolved and you will get your heart’s desires.


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peter aylmore
 
Joined in 2009
November 12, 2009, 6:36 pm

Thank you Ian for sharing your life with others and myself.

I thank you for the reminder:

“just as I am without one plea,

…I come”

I asked God why he had “left me”, but Jesus gave me an answer and said that I left Him, it has taken me awhile to come back to Him. Your story gives me Hope.

Peter from Perth.


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Ann Maree
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November 12, 2009, 8:55 pm

Hi Ian


I was really touched by your story. Your faith and relationship with God is beautiful and inspiring to me. Thank you.


Ann Maree


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davidt
 
Joined in 2009
November 13, 2009, 10:17 pm

Hi Ian


I can relate to how you feel very much. What you said has helped me. I haven’t come out and probably never will given my situation.


Your reference to “Just as I am” was good. I had never honestly thought of it that way. I appreciated that. The verse that resonates with me is


Just as I am – though tossed about

With many a conflict, many a doubt,

Fightings and fears within, without,

O Lamb of God, I come.


but then I love this one


Just as I am – Thy love unknown

Has broken every barrier down;

Now to be Thine, yea, Thine alone,

O Lamb of God, I come


May the Lord continue to be very real to you each day and I will pray the Lord will open up the way for you to reconnect with your children.


Many thanks for sharing


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IanJ
 
Joined in 2009
November 14, 2009, 8:59 pm

Thanks for your encouragement Ann Maree and David,


You make it sound like I was preaching— sorry about that.


But God DID use those words ‘Just as I am’- they are on Ben Gresham’s blog. And they kept speaking to me- until the message got through.


I quoted the hymn because I thought that there would be some who didn’t know it.


God uses those words that we have hid in our hearts- and speaks to us through them.


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IanJ
 
Joined in 2009
January 14, 2010, 9:46 pm

I received a short text message from one of my kids at Christmas, in response to a message I sent him. And I received an email from another son, with a birthday request. I was so thrilled to receive these small messages.


I’ve recently written to my ex-wife. Amongst other things, I’ve written:


The past 18 months have not been all plain sailing for me. I am now coming to a point where I can feel some level of acceptance of myself, have greater understanding of the past and confidence in the future.

I did not choose to be gay; overwhelming evidence supports this view, and even the Christian organisations that run ‘ex-Gay’ programs or reparative therapy admit that they are unable to change sexual orientation. I have now come to understand that God loves and accepts all of me- even the gay bits.

I now understand the sense of being a failure that has dogged me throughout my life- something that I could never put a finger on, for which I could never identify a cause, or overcome. I spent years denying who I am, not having personal integrity and hiding thoughts, attitudes and behaviours. I continue to discover meaning in past events, that I didn’t understand previously.

In the church, I thought I was alone. I believed wrong things about me- and struggled. I didn’t think it was possible to be Christian and gay- but I have since discovered that there are many Christians who are gay, and Baptist, Salvation Army and Pentecostal Churches that are accepting and affirming.

But that doesn’t lessen the pain that I’ve caused you and the children. And the pain has been greater than it needed to be; I wasn’t prepared to deal with events and I didn’t explain myself well enough to you or the children. You are now left trying to come to grips with all that by yourselves rather than through interaction with me. I didn’t make wise choices; I didn’t see any alternative. I now know gay couples who have children, others who are divorced and maintain good relationships with their children and gay teenagers and early 20s who are out, in mainstream churches and all of these people indistinguishable from any people that you might meet in church or a home group. I’ve met their children and their parents and see how meaningful relationships can be (re)established and maintained.


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Ann Maree
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Joined in 2008
January 15, 2010, 8:12 am

Hi IanJ


This is really well written. Well done! Let us know how things unfold.


I’m really happy for you that your kids have responded favourably.


Blessings,


Ann Maree


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
January 16, 2010, 12:30 am

well written Ian


Like you I have some regrets about the way I handled things when I left my marriage and family. Unfortunately we can’t turn back the hands of time and do it all again with the benefit of experience. I’m assuming that possilby you were in the same situation I was……I had no one to talk to who really understood.


I now coach gay men and lesbians who are in heterosexual marriages sort things out. Usually with that support and addiitional insights they have much better outcomes.


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IanJ
 
Joined in 2009
January 17, 2010, 9:39 pm

Anthony and Annmarie,

Thanks for your encouragement.

The signs of response from my boys have been very tiny- but I am encouraged by it. Still a long way to go.



Like you I have some regrets about the way I handled things when I left my marriage and family. ……I had no one to talk to who really understood.


I didn’t even IMAGINE that there was somewhere I could turn for real, practical help.


Outreaching to a group of closeted Christians must be a “marketing” nightmare- but I feel like that is what is necessary if we are to prevent a whole lot of painful experiences. I don’t want to let others ‘do it the hard way’


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Anthony Venn-Brown
 
Joined in 2005
January 17, 2010, 10:13 pm

I think we have a great challenge eh Ian….to reach those closeted in the churches and also those who have left…..both of these two groups possibly fear contacting us. One will be challenged about thier sexuality which they are trying to suppress and deny……and the other challenged by what they might have done with the previous belief system…..suppressed and denied maybe.


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